303 savage vs 300 savage
But, they got me started.
Working with the .300 Savage a couple of years ago, I found the same thing – and for the same reasons. Both would be a good round for that. It would **almost** equal the early .30-06 and is the ancestor of the .308, as the army started with it when developing the 7.72 NATO in the '50s.
Shooters who own 99s love them, and want to shoot them, and those rifles would want to be shot. Keep the .308 or not? These are all Dominion cartridges. If I were trying them in a different rifle, I would back off 5 percent with all of them to be on the safe side. - Ronald Reagan.
When you think about it the ol' savage is the shooting worlds first short mag. Older powders recommended for the .303 Savage with jacketed bullets that are still available include IMR’s 3031, 4064 and 4320, and Hodgdon 4895.
I tried the Powley Computer, but it advised a load of IMR-4064 that I considered imprudent. It seemed to me that Hodgdon’s LEVERevolution offered the greatest potential in the Savage 99, which is, after all, a lever rifle. At the time, the .303 Savage was the company’s flagship cartridge.
Limitations of the magazine restrict the use of spitzer bullets. With home loads they chrono about the same. Jacketed bullet loading data for the .303 Savage from Lyman Handbook, 43rd Edition ranges from 80 grains to 190 grains. This was because of the early American belief that with jacketed bullets, a tighter fit would reduce bore erosion and increase velocity.
This was a well-thought of hunting outfit before the advent of the .308 Winchester. -Thomas Jefferson, "...you have the unalienable right to be wrong." H-4895, one of my all-time favorite powders, is still useful because it can be reduced substantially and still provide a perfect small-game or plinking load with a variety of bullet weights.
The Barnes 190-grain Original bullet, seated to the cannelure, is a perfect fit in the Savage 99 box magazine. However, the 99’s magazine box is not long, so options are limited by overall cartridge length unless you want to use it as a single shot. 115 (May-June 1985) covered it all, and then some.
The 150-grain InterLock RN is just about perfect for deer. My pick would be the classic Model 99 Savage in .300 Savage. This allows me to go with heavier bullets and heavier charges of slower-burning powder, and get higher velocity instead of more muzzle flash. However, the pointed-tip bullets gave it a ballistic advantage over other traditional lever-action cartridges such as the .30-30 Winchester. One, it’s not exactly a .30-30 clone, and it can do quite a bit more than it’s given credit for. Two, the rifle in which it was chambered, the venerable Savage 99, is stronger and generally more accurate than other lever rifles. Generally - you always, always, always need to buy what is stamped on the barrel of your rifle. The .300 Savage cartridge is a rimless, .30 caliber rifle cartridge developed by Savage Arms in 1920. It was designed to replace the less powerful .303 Savage in their popular Savage Model 99 hammerless lever-action rifle. If you seat a long bullet deeper, powder capacity is reduced. Hornady makes a wide range of bullets that are excellent in the .303 Savage. The loads given in the accompanying table are all well within safe limits based on observations in my rifle. I also have a model 99 300 savage. If you are experiencing difficulties posting in the Buy/Sell/Trade subforums of TFL, please read the "sticky" announcement threads at the top of the applicable subforum. Well both would take a deer down at close range. Where the .303 Savage really made its big-game reputation was with a 190-grain bullet.
The case has a very short neck and if cast bullets is your goal, it is not the best choice. Ken Waters said that his .303 Savage was made in 1904 and had a .308" ten twist barrel. Isaiah 45:22.
This brings me to the starting point. The english originaly came out with the long cased belt wearing Hollands super 30 (300 H&H) so they could equal the original ballistcs of the baddest 30 cal around (30-06) with thier long grained cordite propelant and savage did the same thing with thier short little sharp shouldered cartridge. , The .303 Savage has a small, but loyal fraternity of shooters who reload this cartridge.
It would be a good idea to also check your loading dies, because some are made to accommodate .308, others .311, and die manufacturers will ask which you want.
Jamison (now apparently out of business) also produced some, but there is little of it around. 06-05-2017, 07:15 PM. In the Norma .303 Savage case, 42.0 grains of LEVERevolution fills it to within .20 inch of the mouth, and compresses from there quite comfortably with 130- and 150-grain bullets. Watch for deer and stupid people they'll cost you if you hit one. The .300 Savage is a Newton design, rimless, little taper, short neck. Brass cannot be fashioned from .30-30 because it is fatter at the base, although the rim is the same size. "The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Working with the .300 Savage a couple of years ago, I found the same thing – and for the same reasons. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. All is still good, but of course it uses only powders available back then. As I remember right the 303 has a bit more recoil then the 300 savage. If you have a firearm related question, please register and post it on the forums. 10 (November-December 1967) and Mike Nesbitt in Handloader No.
It is an excellent load. According to Mike Nesbitt, who researched this extensively, all .303 Savage groove diameters measure .308, but some loaded ammunition had bullets that measured .311 inch, including Remington and Savage. The .303 Savage became a commercial success and remained reasonably popular into the 1930's. Fortunately, around 2005, Huntington Die Specialties (HDS) prevailed on Norma to produce a run of brass, which is still available. 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. This gave it the edge for animals larger than deer, and Canadian moose hunters loved.
While there is not room here to peep into all the historical nooks and crannies, a couple of points need to be made before getting into the intricacies of loading it. Instead of trying to cover every possibility, I stuck to what I consider useful, usable loads with appropriate bullets. These include IMR-4166, CFE 223, 8208 XBR and Hodgdon’s LEVERevolution. Location: Just north of Chattanooga, Tenn. , The .303 Savage and the .303 British cartridge are not interchangeable with each other. A-Square also made one run of .303 Savage around 2004, but there was never very much and, of course, A-Square is long gone. by biggamehunter69 » Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:50 pm, by caribukiller » Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:35 am, by mr.trooper » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:41 pm, by great white hunter » Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:57 pm. This email link is to reach site administrators for assistance, if you cannot access TFL via other means. Backing off 10 percent from starting loads, combined with the .303 Savage case’s greater capacity, resulted in low velocities, inadequate gas seals, and sometimes wild extreme spreads.
For anyone who wants the whole story, Ken Waters in Handloader No. While major ammunition manufacturers have long since halted production of ammo, dedicated followers can procure loaded ammunition and brass cases through smaller enterprises. I think you'll find a well placed shot at 150 yards, with a .303 will bring down any large game in North America. bullet and the .300 duplicated that. The .300 Savage is a bit more powerful, although not noticeably so. , Savage Arms created the .303 Savage as part of an unsuccessful attempt at creating a cartridge for the military. Your mileage may vary. The IMR-4320 load of 36.0 grains with a 190-grain bullet is listed as “maximum” in all the old manuals, with a muzzle velocity of 2,145 fps. Savage produced about a million 99s in various configurations over the course of a century, and the best guess is that 150,000 of those were .303s. The old flip up style sites and a gun that looked like it hurts when it kicks. Nothing’s really wrong with that, but there’s not much to recommend it, either. Generally speaking, because of the limited overall cartridge length with any given bullet weight, roundnose or flatnose bullets work better than spitzers. The .300 Savage was released in 1920, firing a 150 gr bullet at 2630fps, 70fps shy of the then current .30-06 150 gr loading at 2700fps, an incredible achievement. Bullets ranged from 80 to 200 grains and included cast, jacketed, FMJ and even wire-wound options; although it was an early smokeless cartridge, factory ammunition was even available loaded with black powder. "Common Sense Is An Uncommon Virtue" Ben Franklin, Vintage Boxes - Gear, Shell, Case, Primer, Group Buys Design, Active , Waiting and Archives, Closed Buys/Waiting for delivery/in shipment, If this is your first visit, be sure to
The brass cases can be formed from .30-30 Winchester, .32 Winchester Special, and .38-55 Winchester casings.
If you still feel you are qualified to post in those subforums, please contact "Shane Tuttle" (the mod for that portion of TFL) via Private Message for assistance. It was intended for small game, plinking or finishing shots on big game. Help me decide if I should keep this new .308 I just traded into. Barrel length plays a huge part in load performance. Why don't you shoot them to determine which is more accurate? The bullets I’ve used include the Hornady 100-grain semi-jacketed softpoint, Hornady 110-grain roundnose, Speer 130-grain flatpoint, both Speer and Hornady 150-grain roundnoses and the Barnes 190.
Ammo, brass, and data are reasonably available. As far as I know, the .303 Savage is now obsolete, as neither rifles nor ammunition are commercially available. Ideal Handbook No 22 said that early .303 Savages had a .303" bore but had since been adjusted to .300". Today, handloaders can duplicate most of those, if not all. Savage 99s were made in many configurations, with standard barrel lengths ranging from 20 to 26 inches.
At the time, after WWI, the .30-06 gave 2800 fps. If you are a TFL member and can access TFL, please do not use this link; instead, use the forums (like Questions, Suggestions, and Tech Support) or PM an appropriate mod or admin. If I still had the old takedown with its 20-inch barrel that was my first .303 Savage 20 years. When I've been working up north during summer, my bush rifle was a no4Mk1 Enfield.
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